Transformational Trauma & Healing with Dani James

I am so excited to be speaking with Dani James, fellow TBI survivor and author of new book The Wandering Heart: A Tale of a Misfit Traveling in Life's Wilderness.

Dani shares insights that feel so true. 

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Transcript

0:12 - Carrie Rickert All right. Hi, Dani. Thank you so much for being here today. It's such a pleasure to have you.

0:24 - Dani Rosenblad James Yeah, thanks for having me. Absolutely.

0:29 - Carrie Rickert So as you know, this podcast is called Transformational Trauma and Healing. And I understand that you, like me, had a traumatic brain injury, and that you are a TBI survivor. So would you mind sharing your story with us?

0:51 - Dani Rosenblad James Yeah, definitely. So My accident happened 10 years ago. And what actually happened, cause I'm actually originally from the U S South Dakota. And I was on the road to go to California to start work. And I ended up driving on black ice. Visibility was less than a mile. And all I remember is going, Oh crap. And what I saw was a semi truck blocking all of the lanes. It was six cars piled up against it. And I just went on autopilot. So I don't remember anything. I must have blacked out. And what ended up happening is I clipped one of the vehicles, then did a 360, and then my small truck ended up hitting it again. And in that mix, my truck turned into a convertible because the whole top was ripped off like a can. I got a gash on my forehead. Blood was gushing out. Thankfully, it was so cold that I didn't have to get a blood transfusion. And my body was able to hold in because of the cold. And my dog was with me. And I'm so thankful that he survived and wasn't harmed in any way. Well, physically, at least. But yeah, so the sheriff that had found me He ended up having to call a helicopter to come get me because they couldn't take care of me in Wyoming where the accident happened. They ended up having to helicopter me to Salt Lake City, Utah to get the help I needed. And I was in ICU for 10 days. I had to relearn how to walk, how to use my brain. They induced me in a coma.

2:39 - Dani Rosenblad James I had yeah I had all the wires on me and then the tube I was intubated and everything and then finally I came to after three days when I was in the hospital and everything was foggy I didn't really understand where I was what happened pretty much anything and it It was my parents who actually drove down within the day the accident had happened to be there for me. They picked up my dog and then rushed to the hospital to make sure that I was okay. And they're the ones that told me what had happened and everything. And I just remember going, what am I supposed to do now? And then I heard this inner voice within me say, this is but a moment. And when I heard that, I realized that I get to choose my life. I get to choose what happens next. And so that's when I realized that I wanted to get better. I didn't want to be stuck in a bed for the rest of my life. I didn't want to have all the problems that I had. So I kept pushing forward to get better. And something I did that a lot of people seem as a little crazy is I didn't take any medication. I didn't take any pain medication for this because I wanted to feel what my body could do and couldn't. And I had this feeling within me that I needed to do this specific way for me because I know that if I had taken pain medication, I would have overdone it. And in the long run, I would have hurt myself way worse. Than if I had done it the way I did it. Okay.

4:21 - Carrie Rickert I love that you knew yourself in that way. Yeah.

4:26 - Dani Rosenblad James Yeah, and it's crazy because the first two years I could feel I was missing a huge part of me. So it's like I felt frustrated, lost, angry a lot of the times and just certain things didn't click and it was just hard to grasp my words. And over the time, I realized, like, I just wrote a book that is loosely based on my traumatic brain injury and overcoming it. And since I wrote that book, I realized that when I was dazing out and kind of like going into my dark, safe area within me, I was actually meditating. I didn't even realize that that's what I was doing. So I was working within myself to heal and On the outside, it looked like I was pretty messed up. Like, oh, she's really, look at, she's dazing out. Oh, she's not here at all. But it's like, I didn't have that social norm in my head, or I didn't even think about it. Like, oh, this looks strange on the outside. But I knew that this is something that I needed to do to help myself. And so I didn't care I was around a lot of people. Why should that matter? But yeah, it was quite interesting.

5:42 - Carrie Rickert That is interesting. So, weirdly enough, my traumatic brain injury also involved a tractor trailer. And not ice, but water. I hydroplaned into the back of a tractor trailer. So, yeah. Super fun times, right? So, how long were you in the hospital?

6:09 - Dani Rosenblad James I was in ICU for 10 days. And then after that, I finally passed the test and I pretty much pleaded the doctor to let me leave even though he didn't want to. He signed the paper so I could leave. And then I ended up going back to South Dakota and stayed with my parents for like a month or so. And then I did a bunch of physical therapy.

6:32 - Dani Rosenblad James learned that the body is a bit of a crazy thing, especially when it comes to healing. So like, at one point, I started seeing silhouettes of whatever I was staring at, and then I turned my view, and then I'd see the silhouette of what I was just staring at. And that started becoming common for a bit there. So I had to go see an eye doctor and then found out that was just a healing process. And everyone's different. So she told me about one of her other clients had would see everything in green. Just like, whoa, that's crazy.

7:06 - Dani Rosenblad James It's really interesting what your brain will do to heal. Yeah.

7:12 - Dani Rosenblad James And it's so different. You can't just be like, oh, it's gonna be this specific way, because that's not how it is. Everyone's brain is so completely different. And our healing processes are also different. So you can't just be like, oh, you have to do it this certain way, because that's not how it's gonna always be.

7:32 - Carrie Rickert Right, that's not, yeah. It is similar to, if you think about how people describe someone with autism. If you've met one person with autism, you have met one person with autism. You don't understand what everyone else is like, It's the same with brain injury. If you've met one person who's had a brain injury, you've met one person that's had a brain injury. Brain injury patients are so different. I've talked to so many. The injury, the recovery, the, you know, like, how long it has taken to get your words back. And, you know, like, just some basic things that like, oh, some people were like, Oh, yeah, I was fine. Like the next couple in like a couple of days, and other people are like, it took me like two years to to really feel like I was myself. And for me, that's it took You know, I tried to go back to work about four months after my accident, and I realized that that was too soon. And for me, I couldn't function in that same way. So I had to kind of figure out a new way of doing things. But, you know, I would say it was probably a solid year and a half before I felt like I was me. How long do you feel like the recovery piece took for you?

9:14 - Dani Rosenblad James So it was similar for me. It took two years before I felt like me. However, I think it was probably more like seven years before I fully felt as healed as I could possibly be. And how you mentioned like four months after you went back to work, well, I went back to work I think after that month and a half to two months at my parents. I had my friend from California because I was on my way to go to work. She came and picked me up and that ride was so painful. I definitely went within myself most of the ride and dazed out. We didn't have very much of a conversation, which I think my friend was a little worried about me, but she still kept driving me there. I used to be a weed farmer for five years. So up in Northern Cali. And I think I must have known subconsciously that that's what I needed to do. Be away from all the people, like having a specific thought on you being broken or anything. Because when I went out there, I was fully in nature, surrounded by these plants, surrounded by no one. It was just me and my dog pretty much. And then a friend that I had. And I think that's what I truly needed to heal as I needed to heal. And when I was out there, The sheriff that had found me, he found out where I was and he called our landline. And I found out that I had fractured my neck and I was very close to becoming paralyzed the rest of my life. And I almost was decapitated. If I was taller, I would have lost my head. So hearing that news, I was so full of gratitude because I realized how worse I could have been off. I could have just not even had a life anymore. Or I could have just not been able to do, because I'm very much for using my hands and walking and doing hikes and things like that and being out in nature. And to think that that would have been taken away from me is very heartbreaking. So I was very fortunate to be able to be out in nature again and heal the way that I felt that I needed to heal for me. And I know a lot of people thought I was nuts for doing this. And I could only do an hour of work a day, and then my body would be in full pain. So it's like, my buddy that was there, he's now my husband. But at that time, he, he saved me from myself, because he knew that I was stubborn and I would keep working even though I felt these horrible pains throughout my body. And so he would have to like force me to go lay down in bed and just watch shows for the rest of the day. But yeah, I'm very thankful that I had him there when I needed it the most. And then I got the chance to be out in nature so much.

12:20 - Carrie Rickert Yeah. Yeah. So did you have the experience where you would, you know, after working for like an hour, did you feel like, even now I still experience just being brain tired, like such complete exhaustion. It's not physical exhaustion, it's mental exhaustion. And like, if I do too much, if I, put myself in situations like where I am driving on highways or around a bunch of trucks or if You know, it's just one thing after another after another after another I'm like, okay. Yeah, I am completely wiped out and if I don't rest right now, I'm not gonna be functional for an even longer period of time Yeah, I definitely had that.

13:17 - Dani Rosenblad James And since I had fractured my neck, I had a lot of pain on there, especially if I was looking down for over 10, 15 minutes at a time, then I'd have that piercing pain in my neck. And I think that kind of overrode other pains that I would have throughout my body. And even with having like a brain tiredness, I think that was not as noticeable over that pain. So it's, that kind of took over so much more because I realized that I had to lay down or, cause you're, you use the neck so much. I didn't even realize that until you heard it. No clue.

13:58 - Carrie Rickert Right.

14:00 - Dani Rosenblad James And then it's like, just trying to use your hands and do something. It's like, it connects to your neck. Can you anything in your back? Oh, everything. So yeah, it's a hard one to avoid.

14:14 - Carrie Rickert Yeah, and I tend to hold all my stress in in my neck and like upper shoulders. So I totally get that. It's like, Oh, wow, I don't even want to move my neck around. It's just too much. So In addition to being out in nature, what other things did you do relative to recovery and healing?

14:44 - Dani Rosenblad James So I found that going on walks and being able to connect with myself helped tremendously. And then when I could, I loved to write and that's when I would do some self reflections. However, since I had the neck issue, I couldn't do that for very long. So that was one of those things that would bring frustration out of me quite quickly, because I've always had a passion for writing and to be able not to do it, that it was another stress. But over time, I had learned that yoga was really good. But the first time I tried to do downward dog, Oh, that was the worst ever. Just tears are coming down from my face. And I had to stop like right away because my head couldn't handle it. But what I did, because I mentioned I'm stubborn, I just kept pushing myself and just trying the things that I knew I could. And then finally, I started being able to do downward dog and all this but I mean, you have to be really adamant on yourself and pretty resilient on pushing yourself to get better. And that is something that I had learned also, that is a good thing to be.

16:08 - Carrie Rickert Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I, um, it's, it's interesting, because, um, you know, I was in a brain injury unit in University of Maryland shock trauma. And then when I went to rehab, I was in a brain injury unit and I was like the only one on that unit who wanted to do stuff. I'm like, give me more, give me more physical therapy. Give me more occupational therapy. Give me like, I had two little kids at home. I had to get home, you know, like, um, It was a lot. So yeah, I totally understand that the resilience and stubbornness and it is helpful. Absolutely. I think if we don't have, we as the injured people, right, don't have that will to live and will to live in the best way we possibly can live. What's the point, right?

17:20 - Dani Rosenblad James Yeah, 100% agree with you. And I think it also helps us that we went through such a traumatic experience. And we show that we're on top from it. We didn't let it rule our lives. We didn't make it into a distinction of us. We didn't let it divine us. We pushed forward. And we came out on the other side and showed, look at what I took on in my life. And I didn't let it decide where I am today. I think that's so inspiring and helpful for others out there. And that's a huge reason that I love doing these podcasts and speaking about this because I know that it helps people.

17:58 - Carrie Rickert Yeah, absolutely. And that is exactly why I am doing this podcast is for that reason, I felt like there was something missing along the way in my recovery. And that was stories about other people fighting the same fight that I was fighting and winning, right? Like, it didn't occur to me that I wasn't gonna get better. I knew I was. So I think it's really important to talk about these things because if you have, you know, if someone has this situation and has a traumatic brain injury or any other kind of trauma, and there is no, like, place out there where they can feel connected and get a sense of hope, then that makes it really hard to recover. Yeah.

19:07 - Dani Rosenblad James I can't remember. I was on a podcast at one point and she had asked me that, like, have you ever joined a group for brain trauma or brain injuries? And I was like, I had never even thought about doing that. I didn't think about all the other people out there that are going through the same thing as me, because it feels like such a solo battle.

19:31 - Carrie Rickert And I didn't even think about this.

19:34 - Dani Rosenblad James Yeah. And so like, it's so nice to hear that people are getting this out more. And I just recently heard about Brain Injury Association of America. And this, yeah, and that's a nonprofit and everything. And they're all about, um, getting funds so they can start doing more research and into brain injuries and when I learned that I was so happy and I also heard that they mentioned how brain injuries are like a hidden disability because not everyone you can't see it on the outside so it's something mental and it's something within And it's hard to connect with people that don't fully understand it, especially people that are closest to you. I know, for instance, with me and my husband, we've definitely butt heads a couple times because I didn't have that common sense stuff click in my head. Like, he'll be like, Oh, you need to look, can you put the dirt in this when we're planting a tree or something? And it just for some reason, it didn't click. And I kind of just stood there and he just got frustrated at me. And then of course, I started busting out in tears because I, I can't help it when I when that happens. It's just sometimes you get that that time where it just doesn't click for some reason. And just that little thing that used to be so easy for you is out of sync. And it's hard to take it on sometimes.

21:06 - Carrie Rickert Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I'll give you an example where, so my son is working on getting his driver's license.

21:19 - Carrie Rickert Driving with him has been incredibly stressful for me. Not because he's a bad driver. He's actually a very cautious, very good driver. But because of my history, I'm like, I really can't do this. And so my dad has been working with him and driving with him. And I took him out and we went to you know, we test drove to his community college to turn around, you know, like, so the drive that he would normally do. And we got into a small accident on the way home. And since then, I was like, I don't want to drive with him. And my dad's like, well, you know, you should be driving with him. And I'm like, he just doesn't understand that I can't. I can't do it right now. I have to ease into it, not just like, okay, let's put ourselves in this same situation. I totally get that. Sometimes you're like, wow, I had no idea that that was going to be a sticking point. Now, for me, an accident, that was a pretty obvious sticking point. But But you're right that people who haven't been in the same situation don't have the same perspective. So they just don't get why it's an issue.

22:57 - Unidentified Speaker You know?

23:00 - Dani Rosenblad James Yeah.

23:03 - Dani Rosenblad James Yeah. So I was so happy that they're getting more information out there for people to learn. That's really good.

23:09 - Unidentified Speaker Absolutely.

23:10 - Carrie Rickert Absolutely. And I love the Brain Injury Association. They have different chapters all across the US. So there's the main one. And I have actually spoken at the Brain Injury Association of Maryland a couple of times. And they are just a wonderful organization. They work so hard to make things better. But when I was in my initial recovery, I didn't realize they were there. You know, and so part of, I think, talking about these things is here are the resources that are actually available that you don't really even know anything about.

23:58 - Carrie Rickert So, and that makes it hard. So talk to me about what you are doing now and how your accident and recovery has impacted that. And then, you know, and include there, like tell us about your book.

24:17 - Dani Rosenblad James Yeah, so I do a plethora of things. I actually started a travel blog. I think it was two or three years into my recovery. And it's because I had such a passion for travel. Thus, I live in Sweden now. But on top of that, I have become a speaker. So I talk about this relatively often. And I'm also a mind and body coach. And that stems from how I learned how to heal myself through my whole process, 10 years of healing myself. And now I want to help as many people as I can with connecting their mind and body. Because our mind like having a certain mindset is pretty much what you need in order to heal from anything. If you are thinking like, let's say for instance, I had the mindset of Oh, I'm not gonna get better. Oh, this is horrible. I'm in such this why me Oh, what was me? I know, for a fact, I would not be where I am today. Because I wouldn't have pushed myself to get better, and I wouldn't have been stubborn, and I would have limited myself and done all these things. And so I'm very thankful that I kept pushing forward. And I know that it was very much about the mindset. And that's what I want to help others with. And then the last thing is, I am now an author. When I was pregnant with my son, I actually wrote a children's picture book because I had this story. So I had this story that kept popping up in my mind about this little lost dragon. And I guess for some reason, I knew that little lost dragon was going to be like my son, a stubborn little boy that doesn't want to listen to anything his parents say. So I wrote this story. And so it's about this little lost dragon that, of course, doesn't listen to his parents. And he ends up flying high away and ends up getting caught in a storm and gets lost from home, hurts his wings, so he can't fly anymore. So he ends up learning how to ask for help and finds his way back home from some new friends. And so it's a cute little story. And now I've just finished the book that is loosely based on my traumatic brain injury and how I overcame it, along with a little bit of my past before my accident because I want the reader to get more of a feel of how I was before and then the whole during the healing process.

26:59 - Carrie Rickert Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's cool. So tell me what is the name of your new book?

27:08 - Dani Rosenblad James Okay, The Wandering Heart, A Tale of a Misfit Traveling in Life's Wilderness. It's kind of long, so I had to remember it.

27:22 - Carrie Rickert So, is it out now? Is it published and available?

27:28 - Dani Rosenblad James It's going to be, the e-book version is going to be out the 27th of August, and then September 11th is going to be the physical book.

27:38 - Carrie Rickert Fantastic, that's so exciting. Oh, that's fantastic. So will people be able to get it on like Amazon and barbsandnoble.com, things like that?

27:50 - Dani Rosenblad James Yep, definitely. You'll be able to find it pretty much all over.

27:53 - Unidentified Speaker Awesome.

27:57 - Carrie Rickert Okay, so tell us some more about mind-body coaching. How do you feel like that can help someone Through any experience, I mean, so it doesn't have to be a traumatic brain injury, right? It can be any traumatic experience.

28:17 - Carrie Rickert How do you use mind-body coaching to help people?

28:22 - Dani Rosenblad James Yes, that's a great question. So something that I have learned during my healing process is you have to talk to yourself as if you're a kid. Now, how would you treat your kids? You wouldn't be negative. You wouldn't be talking down at them or anything like that. You would have love towards them and you would be sincere and you would be there for them. So like when I was healing, I realized that I would talk to myself and be like, How's your day going? How do you feel? It's okay if you have to lay in bed all day. You need to do this, it's okay. And like having that validation within myself and telling myself that this is okay, that helped me tremendously. And it's, I know it seems really simple, but we overlook the simple things in life that can actually help us tremendously. And another thing I had learned was you have to listen to your body. Now this could be something simple as like asking yourself, oh, am I hungry right now? And just thinking, no, or, oh, am I dehydrated? Like if you start getting a pain in your head or in your leg or something, like, hmm, what is this coming from You have to ask yourself questions, and then you'll usually get some kind of answer or get some kind of sign or something will happen. And it's, it's something another thing that we kind of overlook or just think, ah, that doesn't work. But when you when you keep yourself open to any possibilities, then that's what will come to you.

30:04 - Carrie Rickert Yeah, I like that. Um, And I think that that's a struggle for so many people. I mean, it's kind of like your little dragon, right? It is hard to ask for help, even when you're asking yourself for help. Like, I do a whole lot of, oh no, I'm fine, I'm fine. And like, I tell myself I'm fine. I tell other people I'm fine. And that may not be true.

30:37 - Dani Rosenblad James Yeah, no, I agree with you 100%. I'm a culprit of that as well.

30:43 - Carrie Rickert Yeah, and I think a lot of people are and especially strong-willed people who want to get better. It's that like, kind of that line between I am going to know that I can get better, and also accepting that I'm not better right now.

31:11 - Carrie Rickert And that's really hard.

31:15 - Dani Rosenblad James Yeah, that is. And I think it's also comes down to, we don't want to be seen as weak. Especially if we've overcome so much and gotten so far and then like a hiccup or an obstacle comes and it feels like it defeats us at that time because we're like we've already came this far and now we have this we have to take on. It can be really difficult and especially when you might have to ask for outer help then it might even be harder for you.

31:45 - Carrie Rickert Right. Well, and I think too, a lot of people struggle with not wanting to be pitied. Like, and I speak from experience there. I don't want people like, like I've had people say to me when they have been talking about some challenge that they've had, and they've said, well, it's, it's nothing like what you've dealt with. And I'm like, but it's still valid. Don't compare it to my thing. My thing is my thing and your thing is your thing.

32:28 - Carrie Rickert I've never wanted anyone to pity me for what I have gone through. I've gone through it and I honestly am grateful that I've gone through it because it's made me who I am today and I wouldn't be the same if I hadn't gone through it.

32:47 - Carrie Rickert you know, I wouldn't know the things that I know now. I wouldn't speak to people with the kind of compassion that I speak with, speak with people, you know, things like that, that I think it is so easy in that, like, talking to ourselves in that, like, oh, you're just like somebody to be pitied, like they're pitying you. And, and, you know, that's a really hard thing to get over, I think.

33:23 - Dani Rosenblad James Yeah, I agree. It can be definitely difficult, because we become, we become, we kind of become our own worst enemy, in that sense, where we downplay things or like, oh, they're just looking at me this certain way. Or, oh, yeah, I don't know. It's a difficult one. And it's also something that a lot of people don't realize how important it is for us not to compare ourselves to others. Because everyone's situation is completely different. I mean, there are two people that can go through the same exact thing. But it affects both of them completely different because what's going on within them is a whole different world. No one's going to have the exact same experience.

34:14 - Carrie Rickert Right. Right. Exactly. Because, you know, if you think about like all of the inputs they're receiving from the world, they're different inputs than the other person is receiving. The experiences are different. The life, you know, life experience is different. And, you know, and how your body feels pain is different than how my body feels pain and how another person's body feels pain. And But it is, but we seem to, and I, you know, I think from the American aspect, right? Like we are bootstrappers, like we're just gonna like pick ourselves up and dust ourselves off and everything is fine and we don't need anybody. And that's such a lie. We need so many people, and it's okay to need people. And I think that, you know, our culture isn't one and, you know, I'd love to ask you about in Sweden, if you've seen that this is different, but I feel like American culture is so much like, you have to be strong, and you have to be perfect. And, and when you're not, then you feel shame for not being perfect or strong and, you know, and that can damage the healing process.

35:49 - Dani Rosenblad James Yeah, definitely. And how it has a huge gender gap as well. That makes it a bit difficult to Because let's say this kind of injury happened to a man, a male, then they're more likely to not show the physical signs of how they're truly feeling, not being open, keeping it all bottled up, which can fester into so many more problems for them. And then with the women, they I mean, we have so much going on in our minds, like multitasking like crazy. And then if you're a mom, that's even times more. So it's like, you want to be strong for your kids, or you want to be strong for the people that you are taking care of in some way. So yeah, it's, it's definitely a hard, hard thing.

36:39 - Carrie Rickert Yeah.

36:42 - Carrie Rickert Culturally, do you feel like you've noticed a difference between the US and Sweden? Like, have you had an opportunity to see that?

36:53 - Dani Rosenblad James Yeah. So I've lived here for six years now. And when I first moved here, we lived out in the forest where we had an outhouse. And I didn't have a car, didn't know anyone in this country besides my husband, because he's a Swede. And I felt completely lost and alone. And I found out that Swedes They, they are kind of loners. They kind of speak to themselves, to their family and the people that they know. And it also takes a while to make friends. However, I'm a pretty outgoing person and I'm not afraid to talk to strangers. So I was pretty good at making friends pretty quick, but it's definitely different compared to the U S where I could just walk on the street and make a friend. Right. Right.

37:48 - Carrie Rickert Yeah, interesting. How about medically? You know, I and you know, this is assuming that you still have some kind of medical care from your accident. I know I still do. So that's why I assumed that but you may not.

38:05 - Dani Rosenblad James Yeah, no, I don't have any medical that I need to do. However, they have they have a really good medical care here. So Like when I went in to have my son, they have midwives that do the delivery. They'll have a doctor if a doctor is needed, like an emergency happens. Otherwise, it's usual for them to have the midwives. So they do a more natural stance on the medical field where they want to help where it's more on the natural side than giving you the medication and all this stuff if it's not needed. And I think that's a lot better for the people because then they don't end up getting addicted to some medications or something like this or because medication, it just kind of covers up the problem. It doesn't really fix it. It's just, there's some underlying, yeah, there's an underlying issue going on that needs to get figured out. And it's, I guess, it's nice, what I've seen, how they do it, I just like it a lot more than how it is in the US.

39:18 - Carrie Rickert It's interesting, I always think that I like to understand what other people's, other countries' medical situation is, because I think in a lot of ways, the US, while I had absolutely amazing doctors that were top-notch and, you know, saved my life, and I am incredibly grateful for them, I think there were things that were missed along the way, and in that, they each had their specialty, right? And so the whole picture wasn't like, it wasn't all put together as like this, I am this whole person. And it was, we're going to talk about the brain injury here, we're going to talk about the physical injuries here, we're going to talk about the like, potential things here, and it wasn't all like, oh, you know, all of these things together can end up resulting in this, right? So I feel like there's not a holistic approach that we need in order to truly heal. I think, you know, our psilocysts did a really nice job of healing me in the different areas, but like, in the big picture, no one really knew all the things.

40:46 - Carrie Rickert So it's interesting to understand other countries' medical, how they do things. So if there was one thing that you want to make sure that our listeners should think about or take away from this, what would that be?

41:11 - Dani Rosenblad James I have to say that you gotta see the good in every situation. So like how you said that you were thankful that you went through what you went through, even though it was pretty tough and difficult for you with the healing process and everything. And that's the same for me as well. And I think it was pretty quickly after my accident, I saw this as a good thing in my life because beforehand, I used to be a party girl and I didn't have any thoughts of my future. And then when this accident happened, getting hit on my head multiple times, I realized, oh, I might need to slow down and actually think what do I want? What is that I feel that I need to do in my life? And it was from that that I learned all of these things that I can do and all the different kinds of people that I can help now. So I'm very thankful for that and for the people listening, any kind of situation, there's always a good in it. You might not be able to see it right away, but just remember that there is something good from it. And eventually you'll find out, maybe you won't, but just have that mindset and things will get better.

42:26 - Carrie Rickert I love that. I love that. I love that because I believe that 100%. Thank you so much, Dani. I appreciate you being here with us today. And I just love your insights.

42:45 - Dani Rosenblad James Thanks for having me, Carrie.